Why do you want to stop selling and start closing and Digital Marketing ?
You see, most people, they don’t know how to communicate.
Fewer people know how to sell and almost no one knows how to close.
There’s a very big difference between selling and closing.
You see in any sales conversation, in any sales environment, in any sales meeting, you do not get paid by selling.
How many of you know people who just sell sell sell sell and they don’t get paid? Or they turn off their prospects.
You only get paid when you close a sale.
I want you to think about the difference between a salesperson versus a closer.
You see a sales person, they would push.
They would use aggressive tactics.
When you think of a traditional sales person, what comes to mind? Comment below.
It’s snake oil, it’s scammy, it’s slimy, it’s pushy.
Versus a closer.
How do you know when you are a good closer? After you’ve done a sale, after you’ve closed a prospect, when your prospect says, “Thank you.
” “Thank you for helping me make this decision.
” “Thank you for helping me move forward.
” That’s when you know you are a good closer.
There’s a big difference, sales person and a closer.
You see today I want to teach you something very very critical.
Why you should stop selling and start closing client deals, and what is the most powerful way that I know of to close, and it’s not what you think.
Today I’m going to teach you what I call “Value in advance” Write it down.
The formula is called “Value in advance.
” Now, you can see on my social media I have millions and millions of followers, and every single time when I make an offer, when I sell, when I try to close a sale, instead of waiting for the phone call or waiting for the meeting, face to face to do all your closing clients, that is very difficult, because you only have a very short period of time to persuade, convince a prospect to say yes.
Instead I believe what you need to do, you need to do a lot of work, before you even open up your mouth.
A lot of work needs to be done before you even say a single word.
In one of my previous videos, I talk about this.
The best way to sell a box of chocolate is what? Is to give people a taste.
One piece of chocolate, if they like that they’ll want to buy the whole box.
It’s exactly the same in closing.
I don’t want to count on closing, that closing part, that conversion part, that face to face, on the phone part, to do all the heavy lifting.
I want to start closing way in advance, and the best way to do that is “Value in advance.
” How can I provide value to someone in advance?
For someone who is consuming my materials, watching my video, consuming my content.
When I release something, when I make an offer, the trust is already there.
That it’s easy for them to say “Yes.
” Let me give you a perfect example.
Let’s say you are a martial artist, and you are teaching someone how to be a black belt, and of course you’re not going to be a black belt over night.
There are a series of steps you need to go through in order to attain your black belt.
Lets say the very first step is you need to learn how to do a proper stance.
Okay, that the first step, and then you need to have some basic flexibility with Digital Marketing.
How to do stretching, stretching exercise, and then basic punching technique, and then basic kicking technique.
Lets say and then you learn some jumping kicking technique.
Then later on you also have power and speed, endurance.
Lets say it takes you seven steps to get from point A to point B, you with me? The best way I could convince someone to say, hey I’m the guy that can teach you how to be a powerful human weapon, how to be that confident black belt.
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Instead of telling you how good I am, I know it takes you seven steps to get to your goal.
All I need to do is provide value in advance.
Let me teach you through my content how to do a proper stance.
Let me get you to that first step.
I’m not going to get you to the end goal, but I’m going to get you to the first step.
I might even teach you some basic stretching exercise that you can do from the comfort of your own home.
To help you become more flexible, to get you to almost step two.
Now what happens is this.
That if I am the person that gets you from point A and then point B.
Not to the end goal yet, but you’re already getting value from the free information, the free value I’m providing, and what the prospect is thinking is this, “Wow, If I’m getting so much value from the free stuff, if the free stuff is this good, I wonder what the pay-stuff is going to be like” and that’s exactly how the “Value in advance” formula works.
You don’t wait till when the money takes place, the transaction takes place to start closing.
You started closing from the beginning.
When you’re delivering value to the marketplace.
You provide so much value in advance when you make an offer your prospect is like this is a no brainer.
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Of course I want to buy.
I’m already getting so much value.
You’ve helped me solve the first two step problem.
I know I have five more steps to go.
Of course you are the man, you’re the woman, you’re the company I want to go with.
Instead of trying to convince them, you don’t know me, you don’t like me, you don’t trust me, give me some money.
No! Give them some value upfront.
Help them solve some problems upfront.
When you do that through social media, through video, through education, through content, that’s a smart way to do it.
You can do this on a massive scale.
You’re impacting so many peoples lives, and you’re adding so much value to people’s lives.
When you make an offer, it’s easy.
When you do make an offer, then it is just a moment when you realize all the hard work you’ve done in he beginning.
You’re not selling selling selling, trying to use some gimmicks or techniques or whatever tricks trying to close people, and there’s a time and place for that, but you don’t need that.
I bet I have so many students, if you’re watching this comment below.
You’ve gotten so much value from my free content, and then by the time I make an offer you’re like Dan is the guy, of courseI want to learn from him.
I want him to be my mentor.
Why? Because, I’ve done so much.
I combine and I strive to combine my branding, my education, my marketing and closing all as one thing.
Instead of isolated components,I treat them as one.
I strive to get to a point where it’s automatic closing.
Where the closing is natural.
Where it’s not forceful.
That people are happy to be closed.
That’s exactly why you need to stop selling and start closing Digital Marketing.
I’ll teach you one more thing before we go, and that is this, every single time you offer something, every single time you make an offer, you want to strive to deliver 10x more value.
Meaning this, this is what I truly believe, it is my mode in business.
If you sell something for $100, what can you do to strive to deliver 10x more value? That’s $1000 worth of value, when you charge $100.
When you can do that it’s easy.
It’s easy to close.
because people can see the value.
It’s a no brainer that they want to buy.
They are happy to buy from you, because they can see how much value you are delivering.
I want you to think about this.
How can you implement “Value in advance” in your business? How can you deliver 10x more value?
What can you do?
I want to leave you with one thought, and that is this, closing is not something that you do for somebody.
Closing is something that you do for somebody.
How to Build, Grow, and Scale Your Own Digital Marketing:
So in today's video, I'm gonna talk about how to start your own digital marketing agency, okay? How did you start how to get your first clients? And then how to go through take it from zero to ten thousand dollars per month Okay, and then once you're at ten thousand dollars per month How many of you guys would love me to show you? how to take it from ten thousand dollars per month to even a hundred thousand dollars per month How would you guys like to see exactly what I've done to go through within twelve months Take my business from in essence zero to over a hundred thousand dollars per month with what I'm doing here, okay? We've got star from Venice Beach what welcome star Okay, awesome guys.
That's we're gonna cover today We're gonna go through because obviously like if you're wanting to start your own digital marketing agency That's the core that's obviously the title of this video.
You need to know how to get your first clients You know how to go to have success with those clients because I know a lot of people They like want to start their own agency, but their biggest fear This is me a couple years ago is why I want to get clients But what if I have no idea how to help them how to run ads for them how to get leads or? success or any of that stuff So I want to cover that for you all today get those first couple and honestly You can run your own market agency as a one-man show and take in a ten thousand dollars per month Fairly easy it really is not that hard That's what I went through and did but now I've kind of merged to the fact where I am Just you know I'm trying to go through and specialize only in sales and market We're going to talk about that here as well, okay, so Awesome guys.
Let's jump into this so the first point.
I'm looking down here because I've got these little notes right here I've got three key points.
I want to share with you so number one is Get experience okay What you need to do first is go through and get experience with Facebook advertising with marketing with starting your own agency Whether it's SEO Facebook Ads Google Ads whatever it is and so Number one key point number one kind of contradicts number two which I'll tell you about here It is a little bit, but you need experience, so it doesn't matter.
What clients you're going to go through and grab Could be chiropractors dentists real estate agents gym owners restaurants anything you just need to go through and get Familiar with the whole Facebook advertising marketing process right now when I first got started This is me back when I was super naive with all this stuff.
I was like man well You know everyone that has a successful agency.
They've got all these testimonials They got all this stuff like how do I go through and sell somebody without any? Testimonials like what do I go through and do and so really the key is is going in first? And it sounds like it sucks right, but go and work for free go offer To run their ads for two weeks for four weeks.
Whatever the timeframe is and say hey look You know I've been really studying Facebook advertising.
It's really hot right now There's so many successful case studies out there And I want to go through and help you with your restaurant with your gym with your you know real estate agency Whatever it is and help you go through and market that business Okay, so you go through and you say hey? You don't even have to pay me Okay After the two-week trial or before we trial whatever you're doing you can say then we can go through and we can talk about What the right amount to pay me is? And we kind of move forward from there, okay, so we'll just like we'll use your Facebook advertising money Okay So they set aside a budget of 200 400 500 whatever the number is and you go use that money to gain that skill set Because honestly guys I've been through a lot of Facebook advertising Courses and all that stuff especially when I first got started but honestly at the other day it all comes down to just getting that experience and going through and Using the ads manager in Facebook or Google or any of that stuff And you will learn way quicker way more by actually going through and gaining that experience okay, so anyway, that's number one and the best way to go through and get clients you guys have probably seen this on some other trainings of Mine or some other people is just going through and posting on Facebook hey, I've been studying Facebook ads where I've been studying you know at Google Ads or whatever you're like been focusing on and I'm looking for some people to go through and help them out.
I won't charge anything We just do a little trial run and we'll see how it works getting leads for you in your business And then you're gonna get people responding and you can go post on your personal profile.
You can post in some local Facebook groups like Wherever you live let's say you live in Dallas There's there's local Facebook groups of there Dallas specific kay could be like Dallas small business owners or Dallas You know gym owners or whatever it might be go post in those groups and just kind of like start to get that That communication out there, okay, so number two guys so Let's just hit anybody have any questions on that real quick I'm gonna dive into number two and if questions do pop up I'll jump into that because I know there's a little bit of a delay when we're going through and doing these YouTube lives But if you guys have questions on number one hit them up in the chat box but number two guys once you go through and You have your experience, right? You've gone through You've worked with all these different types of business owners all these different clients you want a niche in and get specific to one Industry okay now when I first got started and this was you know probably When I first got start with more of the Facebook advertising agency model This is probably two and a half years ago or something like that.
I was working with Dennis chiropractors real estate agents network marketers Insurance I was like working with so many different types of people just to gain that experience But then we started seeing consistently really really good results with the real estate market Okay, real estate agents real estate investors real estate brokers And so I went all in on that I went all in and just started focused on those because we had some campaigns That we're working Extremely well to get buyer leads seller leads you know promote their open house promote their listings And so I was like you know what I could either go through and continue to try to reinvent the wheel of okay Let's like I've got a new insurance broker like I need to go find out a good campaign That's gonna work for them, and then the next thing you've got a mortgage broker The next say you've got a fitness a gym owner personal trainer and going and trying to recreate the wheel every single time you bring on a new client or You can have maybe four to five campaigns that you know converts super well and just focus and stick with those okay So that's what I went through and did We're starting to get some really good results in the real estate market And then I was like you know what I'm gonna go all-in with this I'm gonna only do real estate because I know these campaigns work and now my only focus is He's getting new clients getting new customers on to go through and help them take their business to the next level, okay so Anyway guys that that's kind of key number two so like you can see how it kind of contradicts number one But number one is obviously like just getting out there getting that experience bringing on your first couple of clients And then once you see like hey Maybe you're like you're killing it with chiropractors or killing it with Dennis or with realtors or whatever then you go through, and you focus just on that niche and my my Recommendation to you, and this is what one of my mentors told me he went through and said hey Jason focus on real estate He's like you've been having a success in real estate Don't go out of real estate until you've made at least a million dollars, okay? And now we we well surpassed that but we're still focused on real estate Because one is a huge market we can go through and just really grow our business And we just continue to get success and we continue to improve our model our campaigns that we're running for all four different clients Okay, so number three guys.
We're getting this so so we got number one Go out get experience grab some those initial clients get testimonies get those case studies Okay, work some stuff for free.
It sounds like a little bit of a pain right at the very beginning For long term results we're not in this for the quick win we're not in this for the quick buck We want to go through and build a long-term sustainable business if you're in it for the quick buck You might have success for six to 12 to 18 months but you know everyone else is going to come in and they're just gonna like take over and You're not gonna really be able to set yourself apart Okay, and then once you go through and you find a niche where you're really seeing great results focus in a hundred percent on that niche now You know we've worked with over 3,000 Realtors now real estate agents and brokers, and we've kind of started a few months ago we start moving into loan officers mortgage brokers, but honestly the only reason why is because Someone looking to buy a home that a real estate agents gonna work with that's the same exact person That's gonna need a loan from a lender.
Okay, so it's like it's literally the same lead, and there's so many synergies with that that With those industries that it makes total sense to go through and jump over there Alright, so number three guys.
Okay, and if you guys have any questions this point just go hit them in the chat box I'll make sure I'll get to all those questions.
We can even save some time here at the end To answer all the questions you guys have but once you go through and you you're so so anyway those first two keys That should be able to get you from zero to $10,000 per month, okay And that should be enough like where you can go through and you can do the sales and marketing for your clients And you can do the fulfillment for your clients, and that's what I did for the first several months and then it got to a point where I was like you know what I don't have time to go through and fulfill for all these clients And I don't have time to do the sales and marketing just jump back and forth and because you just end up losing so much time and effort and energy by Switching gears right where it's like You're doing sales calls and then like someone's like hey.
I need I need help with this support Item or I need you to do this or do that so you're always jumping back and forth and really You don't see any great results from it So as you start to grow What I would recommend is because you found out kind of the model You've had the experience of going through and setting up the campaigns go find someone that you can hire Okay to start setting up those campaigns for you in doing the fulfillment Ok just find one person find someone you can trust Someone you like to work with you enjoy working with and then you can focus a hundred percent on the sales and obviously At the beginning you're gonna have to spend a little bit of time training that person up But the idea is when that second person when you hire that second fulfillment Account Manager person the person that you initially trained They can train them, okay, so now you're starting to leverage yourself You're starting to branch out and you can focus a hundred percent on the sales and marketing aspect And we're gonna get that here in a second We've got Joel saying Facebook for real estate must be very tricky does Facebook have that data on possible home buyers Honestly, Joel is not too tricky.
Okay Obviously and there's all the new Facebook algorithm updates.
Everyone's kind of freaks out on it's like well How does this affect real estate and all this and honestly it really doesn't affect it too much our campaigns that stay pretty consistent really the biggest change that I've seen with the new Facebook algorithm update is I Think I have a little over 30 thousand followers on my Facebook page And if I make a Facebook post and even a Facebook live which used to get way more You might get 50 people that are actually seeing that if I don't put money behind it so 50 people reached with 30,000 people that follow you It's not really beneficial so like Anyway, the whole the game of like having so many followers and likes all that and on Facebook It doesn't really matter anymore so anyway, but also this Facebook have data on possible home buyers.
Yes They do so they've got you can go through and target by homeowners So like if you're doing like a sell leads campaign for people looking to go through and sell their home You could target people that are homeowners you can target people that are renters.
There's several other different Interests and groups and all that stuff that you can go through and target.
Okay, so back to kind of like Your you went through you hired your first person you trained them on support fulfillment now you are shifting okay, you're shifting your focus to 100% sales and marketing and what you need to do is you need to get a Consistent sales process that you can know and rely on that happens every week every day Every like you you got a set like a certain amount of time like so I go through and I'll do live webinars every Single week, okay, and I know that every single week This is like a proven model proven process that I can go through and put a majority of my budget my expenses for my whole company Into that advertising just to bring on new clients, okay? So that's really what you want to do you want to get to the point where like you go? And you first get your first ten thousand dollars per month, and honestly that doesn't really You don't really need to spend a lot of money You can do that 100% for free with no advertising budget, and then what I do Let's say your expenses for 10 grand a month.
Let's say your expenses are like five grand or whatever I put like 70 to 80 percent of my total expenses so 70 to 80 percent of that five grand Into my advertising okay, cuz then that the whole goal is now we want to build something that's gonna be a long-term sustainable long term growth so we're not we're not necessarily interested in like those first 90 to 120 days of Making the the quick money like I don't know bout you guys, but like it's great I I you know I like to make money, too But I rather go and make you know a hundred million dollars ten years from now as opposed to a hundred thousand dollars right now That makes sense so like I'm going through and I'm building this with a long-term mindset That if I go through and invest more to my business into advertising getting more leads more clients on board than in a year I'm gonna be able to have a business.
That's gonna be doing a couple hundred thousand dollars per month and It's it's gonna be that much more beneficial right so, okay.
We've got a few questions here We'll say how do you see Facebook ads and doing what you do change with the Cambridge analytical scandal honestly? Yeah, like that's that's obviously an issue.
I think that's more of an issue for Mark Zuckerberg and Facebook to be completely honest because this is just the whole data breach and all that we still have all those tools and everything accessible to us as advertisers as business owners and Really, we'll the the big key thing on that is You you're always are going to be changing whatever platform.
You're marketing on because like right now Facebook Ads is hot you know ten years ago Google ads was super hot okay? And most people actually aren't doing YouTube ads which I'm jumping in and doing YouTube ads and those are working amazingly Well, so really it doesn't matter like whether it's Facebook or Google or what the platform Is there's always going to be something new whether it's Instagram snapchat you got to go through and just evolve the model as time changes and things evolve so like even if Let's say Facebook ads that let's say it Just totally shut down tomorrow, okay? And the whole Cambridge analytic a scandal that like totally just like crashed everything honestly I wasn't really worried because I'm not relying a hundred percent on Facebook for my lead generation and for my marketing And I'm not relying that well.
I'm actually right now.
We're kind of focused on that for our clients Just because it's it's converting so well, and we haven't really seen I mean it's only been a couple days But we haven't seen a huge Huge shift or change with anything recently so anyway oh Jokes laugh at that comment, okay cool, okay, so now so now we're going through and we're putting the majority of our budget into our Advertising our marketing whether it's Google Facebook, or if it's some new platform, that's come out To go through because our guys just so you know there's so many other Taizo networks and resources that it's not just Facebook.
It's not just Google okay I work with some advertising networks where There's these guys that have massive email lists or text messaging lists or they have big blogs you can go put banner ads on there's like so many different ways you can go through and Target your ideal customer and bring people in to your business, so it's not just Facebook there, but I would go through And make sure you're putting putting a majority of your budget Into that lead generation into client acquisition bringing more customers in and that's your sole focus okay, and you're just going through as you're bringing more clients you hire more account reps to help you with the fulfillment and then if It gets to a point where you're like hey.
I can't handle all the sales myself We're getting so many leads then you can go through and hire a second or third or fourth sales guy, right So that's what we're starting to do right now.
It's just probably two three months ago We hired a second sales guy to help me with all the incoming leads and all that stuff that we're generating so So that's basically it guys Go through get experience kind of go start working with any and all clients get your experience with Facebook Ads Google Ads with you know Going through and marketing on blogs or whatever it might be Second find which niche that is just really connecting with you Where you find your best results your best case studies focus in on that a hundred percent till you've made at least a million dollars Okay, and then once you go through then focus on that as you're growing your focus in 100% on sales And you're putting in 70 to 80 percent of your expenses as a whole into advertising into marketing and then Your high in our hiring more account reps to be able to go through and handle the new onboarding of clients And then you go focus a hundred percent of sales until you get to the point where like you're getting so many leads so many everything that you have to hire more sales people to Go through and expand it out Okay, let's say these up um Okay And have will Classic is there a version of arsal that allows you to build landing pages for other agents get leads emailed to them and myself so Prince Durban Romans, we're actually working on that right now We don't have like like right now.
Arsenal is built for the individual agent, so what you could do Is you can go through and set up a lead generation campaign and have the the? Leads notified sent to the actual agent as far as right now sending them to you and the agent We only have it going through one person actually you know what we've done actually in the past with some people that have wanted to do that you know how you can set up and create a Like a group alias email, so like let's say We've got our support at our salon kg comm right and Then we have multiple people when someone emails support we have multiple people that get that email so that's what you can do their prints That's what we've done in the past and totally forgot about that But you can set up like you know Kansas realtor at prints calm or whatever the email address is and then have that sense when we send out the lead Notification it goes to you and the realtor as well, okay Phyllis a long trip things grit is great great mindset Yeah, definitely eighty percent of their ad budget to generate leads build a long-term relationship with your clients exactly Joel nailed it Okay Joel saying where do you find your account reps or freelancers? Do these tasks honestly guys where I find it? And this is a great question because this is something that I know people have struggled with in the past is I just reach out to my existing audience okay after you've been doing this for so long I'll just go through and make a post on Facebook so as you start to gain fault like even if you're not really trying you Start to gain followers on Facebook people add you as friends on Facebook? They will jump on your email list and even though you're marking is specific like I Marcus specifically to Realtors I get digital marketers all the time jumping on and they kind of want to see what I'm doing right so Anyway, I would just go through and this is what we've done.
Even this week.
I did a Facebook live in our Facebook group I posted like on our Facebook page or I posted it on my personal profile before I've posted the I've Done an email blast and just saying hey if you guys are interested in working with us.
We're growing We're hiring again Which also that excites people on your email list because we're like wow They're growing They're growing again like it must be working and so like they they get more belief and confidence in you and what you're doing Okay, so Joel.
Hopefully hopefully that helps and also like what I initially like when I didn't have super big following We have a few colleges actually around where I live about seventy thousand University students, and so I knew a couple that were just there but I ideally I like to go through and reach out to my existing following and community because More than likely they've seen some my trainings on Facebook ads on their software on set up on everything so The onboarding and getting them up to speed is that much faster, okay? Okay, let's see Hey Jason, I've been following you for a while Hugh, Rock awesome How do you set up the software platform used for your specific niche? How do you set up the software platform used for you specific nature so Giovanna? Thanks for the thanks for the comments Thanks for following us um We've been building this platform out for probably three to four years, so we've gone through because we build out from scratch We're not using any like Third-party service that we're just white labeling like we built it from scratch.
It's all custom to us and We start building out I think three four years ago, and then we started going like full-time all in with it about two and a half years ago Okay, so that's what we've done We we do go through and do white labels of the software.
It's not really my focus I don't like to focus on that but we do offer that there Will is classic we're talking about me jump on your webinar space pages talking you probably will you're probably you probably the exact person I'm talking about there.
Well cool guys.
Let me just jump in I want to I want to share with you guys just For anyone like you know if you're kind of wondering where to get started on all this stuff I have put together a course it's called the six-figure agency I just dropped a link in the chat box if you're watching the replay of this What I'll do is.
I'll put it down in the description as well and This is basically my step-by-step guide of gaining clients getting clients Going through and taking it building your business to zero to $10,000 per month.
It's all real estate and mortgage specific and focus so you'll see all of my real estate generation campaigns my mortgage lead generation campaigns how I go through and you'll see the contracts that we use to sign up clients because that's really big as Once you sign somebody up you want to get them to sign a contract so you you know There's a good understanding of what you're gonna do for them And what they're gonna expect from you so that just not any issues down the road And then I go through and show you how to get your first cup of clients how to charge them how to what different Products and services to offer and then how to go through and scale things up from there Okay, so if you guys want that obviously it's just you know.
It's not really honestly.
It's not even really a moneymaker for me I just like I put together because I thought it'd be helpful for some people that are following me here and That's pretty much it guys.
That's that's the quick 3-step rundown Okay Gain experience go run stuff for free for your clients Number two niche down on where you're going to go through where you've been having good success and results Then three go start hiring other people and putting a majority of your ad budget into your lead generation client acquisition Scale and grow things to the next level, okay So anyway guys if you guys enjoyed this video Go ahead, and hit that thumbs up button I'd greatly appreciate it It would help other people see this as well if you guys want to share it You know I don ously Love it and then if you guys are not subscribed yet make sure you guys subscribe the channel I launched a new video every single Monday Wednesday Friday.
I'm trying to do more YouTube lives I don't know if you guys been watching me for a little bit now, but I was actually Banned from doing YouTube lives for 90 days which was insane I was like Anyway, I must have broken some rule.
I had no idea about so it's kind of a newbie to YouTube which is all good, but Anyway, so yeah go ahead subscribe the channel.
I've got for everyone that subscribes I've got a free Facebook as mini course $97 value Just go to my channel hit refresh And there's gonna be a video and a link to that that mini course there hook you guys up and then also we've got the six for your agency link right there and Anyway guys.
Thanks so much for watching I'll try to jump on I'm not sure if I'm gonna do a live on Monday yet Or just kind of like a pre-recorded video, but thanks so much for for jumping on commenting.
I love the engagement I love you know seen kind of like the different questions and beyond the answer and help you guys out as much as possible But with that said I'm gonna leave you guys all But I hope you have an amazing weekend and with that said I will talk to you all later.
Marketing Agency: The TRUTH About Running An Agency (2019)
CHRIS: Oh, we're on! Hey guys! Welcome back to the process.
I'm Chris and.
JOSE: I'm Jose Caballer.
CHRIS: We took a little break.
Usually, we're talking to guests but by popular demand we're back and we're in front of you.
CHRIS: No guest today, and we have a really juicy topic.
Jose, tell the kids what the topic's about.
JOSE: We're talking about the proposal.
CHRIS: A proposal.
JOSE: Yea CHRIS: And the reason we're bringing this topic up is there's been some questions from some of our members.
And it's a good topic because in order for you to get any kind of real job, not as a freelancer but as a person who's coming up in the world.
You gotta put a proposal together and there are different styles from motion to digital, and.
JOSE: This is something you're gonna have to do a lot, basically.
CHRIS: Yes, and there are different styles so today we're gonna share that with you so stick around! CHRIS: Wooo! Yeeaa! (Clapping) JOSE: You're watching the process.
Those titles look very nice.
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CHRIS: It's a work in progress and you guys will see it change.
Maybe even this backdrop will change.
CHRIS: Exciting things for us in the future.
JOSE: That's all coming.
That's all coming.
Let's get into our topic.
So, can you the title card here, Tai.
On my laptop.
So, we're gonna be talking about proposals, A.
A Bids, A.
A estimates, A.
CHRIS: They're all a little bit different and we're gonna do it in 3 segments.
CHRIS: We're gonna talk about: What is it? We're gonna break it down and give you some examples of that.
CHRIS: And a new thing that we're introducing to the show called the Dorktionar.
JOSE: Yeah! CHRIS: That's a very creative title by Mr Caballer standing to my right.
JOSE: A lot of dorky terms in the 'bidness.
' CHRIS: 'Bidness.
' JOSE: In the 'bidness!' The 'bidness' of design! JOSE: Desiiign (Laughter) JOSE: Desiiigners.
We're gonna do some business.
CHRIS: You gotta hold your pinky up when you say that.
JOSE: Designers CHRIS: Alright.
So let's talk about what it is.
JOSE: So, I like that you put it into this order: Bid, proposal, pitch because sometimes that is what it comes in.
JOSE: And you know, bid means something in motion graphics.
CHRIS: What does it mean in digital? JOSE: But really, ultimately in means that your putting a price; an amount.
JOSE: You're bidding.
You know, like an auction.
You're bidding, right? CHRIS: Yea JOSE: It's really an estimate, or a price.
CHRIS: It's time and materials.
JOSE: Time and materials.
CHRIS: Time and materials.
And when I first got started in the motion world, it was kind of a roll the dice.
CHRIS: I kind of made things up.
I didn't know what my expenses were; What we considered out cost of goods sold.
CHRIS: And so I would just put a number together.
CHRIS: And I would make a lot of assumptions.
JOSE: Pull it out of your arse, like the British would say.
It's like BOOM here's a bid.
CHRIS: A bid.
It's basically time and materials and it's a best shot guess.
JOSE: So, we still do that and it's called--In poker I think it's called betting in the dark.
CHRIS: Betting in the dark.
JOSE: Like you don't really know what the cards are.
CHRIS: Well, let's explain that.
JOSE: Let's explain that.
CHRIS: If you're playing Texas hold em', you have 5 cards, but before any cards are dealt, you're making a bet.
CHRIS: And that's kind of akin to putting together a bid without knowing what the scope of the project is and all the variables that come in to play.
CHRIS: It's a risky maneuver.
JOSE: It's a risk, for sure.
Because you might draw a 2 7 offsuit, which is the worst possible hand in Texas hold em'.
JOSE: I have no idea what you just said.
I have never played poker.
CHRIS: That's okay.
All of my Asian gamblers out there in the universe, they'll know exactly what I'm talking about.
CHRIS: 2 7 offsuit is the worst hand you can get and if you put in your entire amount, you're now what they would consider now potted in.
CHRIS: You're putting enough into the pot that you're going to fall over.
JOSE: Ok, Ok.
CHRIS: That's enough poker JOSE: I get it.
So the thing we were talking about today earlier with Nicole was this issue of the perrogative of who it is.
JOSE: If you're a freelancer versus if you're an agency principal.
CHRIS: Yep JOSE: So as an agency principal you have.
CHRIS: Did you call me a 'pimpcipal?' (laughter) JOSE: A 'pimpcipal' CHRIS: Let's.
Wait JOSE: That's a pimp-cipal.
CHRIS: I'm gonna add that into the dorktionary.
JOSE: It's kind of like a popsicle but it's a pimp.
JOSE: Is that what I said? CHRIS: Pimpcipal CHRIS: You're the head pimp.
CHRIS: Alright let's go.
JOSE: Alright so the point is: Nicole asked about the point of view from a freelance point of view JOSE: and then we were talking about it from the point of view--I'm talking about it from corporate.
JOSE: and you're talking about it from a motion point of view so she didn't really.
JOSE: get her point of view.
Does that make sense? CHRIS: Let's focus on what we have.
CHRIS AND JOSE: Foooocus CHRIS: Alright so that was the bid.
The bid is time and materials.
CHRIS: The proposal is a more corporate document and it has time and materials in it.
It has a broader definition of the scope.
CHRIS: It has some kind of sales material included.
A corporate bio, who you are, work you've done.
JOSE: It also has an approach a process.
JOSE: You outline your entire process and how you're gonna do it.
CHRIS: Tell me a little bit more about the approach.
That's a term I'm not familiar with.
JOSE: The reason why proposals--in my neck of the woods in the world--are so much more is assuming that you're not presenting it to an individual.
JOSE: You're presenting it to a group of people.
JOSE: To an executive stakeholder group, to a body, to a committee, to somebody that is not just one person.
JOSE: There might be one person who's driving that on their end, but they have to presenting it to their ceo, to their marketing person, to the CFO.
CHRIS: CTO JOSE: A lot of people need to look at it.
They're just gonna look at the thing they care.
So the CFO is just gonna look at the price.
JOSE: The CEO wants to look at the results.
The CMO wants to look at the process.
Like what is it.
JOSE: They don't want to feel not included in the solution because they've been spending all this other time and money and effort and their job is to make sure they guide the approach.
JOSE: So you're basically trying to make sure that everybody's in alignment.
CHRIS: So let me summarize there.
CHRIS: You're proposal, especially in the digital world, is a self contained document that pretty much onboards them through the entire process of how you work, the timeline, deliverables, all that kind of stuff because there are multiple stakeholders; Multiple people that need to look at it for different reasons.
JOSE: Yea CHRIS: What we called is--If you want to build a connection with somebody you're familar with this term.
It's called match and mirror.
CHRIS: So in the corporate world this is what they're used to looking at so when you come in and you look like an odd duck, people get a little nervous.
So you want to adopt their language, their way of presenting, the way the talk about things and you're gonna have a much better shot of getting the work.
That's exactly why.
CHRIS: Alright, beautiful.
CHRIS: And Nicole, as always, if you have a question about what's said and it's not coming through clearly, just interupt us, okay? CHRIS: Let's talk about the pitch now.
So can you cut back to that slide, Tai? CHRIS: The pitch.
And the pitch sounds like another word, and I hate it.
JOSE: It's another definition.
The word pitch.
CHRIS: Son of a pitch.
JOSE: Isn't there a show? Son of a pitch.
CHRIS: There's a show.
It's called The Pitch.
CHRIS: The pitch implies another level of work.
Especially within the motion world.
I'm gonna talk about that a little bit.
CHRIS: I personally don't like pitches because pitches generally are unfunded.
It's competetive, right? So where as the bid may or may not have competititon, the pitch definitely implies there are multiple people going after the same amount of work.
CHRIS: Now if you're doing this for, say, a mom and pop, they would not ask you to do a pitch.
Their products are not big enough.
They do not know enough vendors, and they're going with somebody--A freind referral kind of thing.
JOSE: And in that case you're doing a bid.
CHRIS: You're doing a bid, and so when you're dealing with an agency or a much bigger organization for a brand that's well known they're almost always required to get 3 bids.
CHRIS: It's competetive bidding, and so you're looking at price points, but the worst part to the pitch is you have to come up with a creative solution that's going to convince your potential client that you're the right one to work with.
CHRIS: So let's assume that there are 3.
So they have option A Creative, option B, and option C, and theoretically it's all based off the same creative brief.
CHRIS: That's what we have to do, and we spend a lot of money making these things and they can include styleframes, full storyboards, motion tests, video tests.
So we're spending sometimes thousands into tens of thousands of dollars building these things for the hope of getting it.
The only reason we can do that is because the projects are big enough in scale.
JOSE: The reward is gonna be large enough, is what you're saying.
That it's worth it because you know you cannot win every single job so if you're losing so much money in the pitch and even when you win it If it can't pay for all the jobs you've lost, then you go out of business really fast.
And a lot of studios in our sector-- JOSE: have gone out of business.
CHRIS: They go out of business because they work like this and we are still mandated to work this way.
JOSE: I mean that happens a lot in agencies in digital and even in traditional.
Traditional design firms do pitch also.
I mean, everybody pitches in one way or the other.
So you described it fairly well that the pitch is we're there is creating involved.
In our case, at the very large end--I used to be brought in a lot as the boutique in a pitch against my larger competitors.
CHRIS: Oh, you're like the David and Goliath battle.
JOSE: They wanted to see how different of a solution would come in because in a pitch CHRIS: You're the wildcard.
JOSE: You're coming with creative.
So I remember pitching something really big against my biggest competitor where I used to work before.
*cough*Razorfish*cough* CHRIS: Don't mention them! JOSE: Don't mention names.
And we lost because the team liked us but the VP who had the hring decision, they didn' know who the hell we were compared to that other "R" firm.
But the point about that is if you guys are out there, if you're a freelancer, you probably won't get included in larger pitches.
If you're a small boutique agency, you will.
If you wanna make that transition, you will want to start knowing and learning how to put proposals together and how to pitch.
That's an important part of--I think we should do pitch competitions.
I think we should train-- CHRIS: No, because I hate pitches! JOSE: I love pitches! CHRIS: Don't talk about your personal life.
(laughter) JOSE: I loooove me some pitches! I Just finished pitching last week CHRIS: I told you distractions are not good for business.
JOSE: Yeah, focus on the business, not pitches.
No but you know what: Pitches actually get a lot of reward.
You get a lot out of pitches.
CHRIS: I hate pitches JOSE: Pitches are awesome.
CHRIS: If you read Blair Enns' book--and we're gonna do this in a different segment in the future called required reading, where Jose an I will talk about the books-- His like Win Without Pitching Manifesto.
I love the book.
He talks about it and eroding away your whole things.
JOSE: Totally agree with him.
What I mean about pitching is that I like the.
CHRIS: You like the excitement! JOSE: The startups and the excitement of the pitching and the competition.
CHRIS: He talks about all that.
JOSE: But fundamentally, you don't want to do too much of it.
CHRIS: You don't want to do it.
JOSE: Keep away from the pitches.
So anyways, here's the breakdown.
And if we can cut to slide--Thanks.
So there's an analogy here that we're gonna make to building a home, ok? When you're talking about building a home as a contractor you're talking about 5 key factors that determine the pricepoint and potentially the schedule, right? We're gonna talk about style, size, features, finishes, and time.
And the way I'm gonna talk about this first is I'll make the quick comparison to building a home and maybe you'll understand it that way and then we're gonna dive into what that means in the digital world and in the motion thing.
So first up is style.
Style I think of as: What kind of home are we building? Is it a post modern home, is it traditional, is it mediterranean, is it california condo? JOSE: Victorian.
Is it the new tiny house, you know? CHRIS: That's not a term.
Is it pre-fab? (Bantering) CHRIS: Because the style will then dictate a lot of the next steps.
Next thing that you're gonna talk about when building a home is the size.
How big of a home are we talking? JOSE: Size doesn't really matter.
CHRIS: Are we talking about a big mansion? Is it you know 5,000, 6,000--or a really well designed, efficient home in Japan or Europe.
Where we're seeing a 1200 sq.
home for a family of 4.
OFFSCREEN: What is the size of the home relative to? The type of customer? JOSE: We haven't talked about that yet.
CHRIS: We're just talking about architecture right now so that people can understand it.
JOSE: How much money they have.
CHRIS: Features: Is there going to be a pool? Is there going to be a two car garage? Is it going to have a sauna, bareque pit, a jacuzzi tub withing the master bedroom? Those are all the kinds of features that a home has to have and needs to be defined.
4th is the finishes.
Now the finishes is a tricky part because theres orders of magnitude here because you can go into Home Depot and buy a light for $10, $100, $1,000, or $10,000, or $100,000.
Maybe not Home Depot, but all of them will illuminate the room, right? JOSE: Totally.
CHRIS: But if you buy something like with crystals in it, it's gonna cost a lot more.
So the finishes, the flooring.
So is it lenoleum, which is very inexpensive, to some kind of hand scraped, wide plank wood.
The finishes affect the cost.
Lastly is the time.
JOSE: How long will it take? CHRIS: How long does it take? Alright, so let's jump in now.
So in the style part, Jose, why don't we talk about the style as it relates to digital.
JOSE: So this is specific to a music based website that asked us, you and I, to kind of put together a proposal.
And what I did is I put together some of the different styles from music related projects.
So here it wasn't necessarily about showing specific styles across--Well it does.
It shows styles across motion.
It shows styles across web, and it show's styles across actual exhibition design.
CHRIS: So you're pulling sample graphic references for what purpose? JOSE: For two purposes: To validate that we have experiences in the music business, but also to get a sense of: Hey, what style do you want this project to be in? CHRIS: Right, so you're reflecting back that you are hip to the music scene and you have good tastes and you've done things that are relevant.
CHRIS: Whats the next slide? JOSE: The next one is really important because it's not just about aesthetics when it comes to a project in the digital realm.
In this case, this is also the product architecture as it relates to a large site for an e-commerce kind of thing.
CHRIS: This is a complicated diagram.
JOSE: It's a complicated diagram CHRIS: What are you trying to show me? JOSE: It's actually a really simple diagram.
Basically it's showing the heirarchy of application.
This is one out of 3.
We showed them 3 options.
By application, it means by use.
So instead of making it by product which is most.
For example, Apple.
Com is by product.
The watch, the Mac, the Iphone.
It's a product centric company.
Application is for the home, for work, for.
CHRIS: Where it'll be used.
JOSE: Where it'll be used.
So we pitched--We showed them--This wasn't a pitch, this was in a discovery phase.
CHRIS: Now that you've defined the terms, be careful how you use them.
JOSE: This wasn't in a pitch this was in a discovery phase.
That brings up another slight nuiance that we're not gonna go into, but basically we said: You have 3 options.
They dictate your budget.
Or they determine--They will affect your budget.
And the two other options were by application, by product was the other one, and there was one more.
by customer! CHRIS: By customer.
JOSE: By customer type.
So we basically--Those were 3 styles of navigating the whole site.
So you can give them options of that case scenario of which way they want it to go.
JOSE: And ofcourse, being good clients, guess what they chose.
CHRIS: Which one? JOSE: All 3 (laughter) CHRIS: So much for that.
Alright, that was awesome.
Okay, we'll review that later, but I learned something today about how to do digital.
You can define it by product, by application, meaning where it will be used.
And then by the users.
Or all 3 as you said.
CHRIS: Alright, great.
So thanks, Nicole.
We're gonna jump into the motion world, okay? So in motion, style matters a lot more because the style, to me, determines really the approach that we're gonna take and the cost associated.
So I'm gonna show you a couple different styles.
So when you think of a motion company, a lot of people think of animation.
But sometimes it's just live action and now this is a very common thing now where we'll go out and shoot live action.
So the entire spot can be live action with pretty straight editorial.
So the next one I'm gonna show you is a project we did for Coldplay.
This is an interactive music video, so there's two components to this.
There's a component of coding and then there's--This is mostly animation, kind of cell driven animation with a couple of things.
And this is a totally different thing where it's completely graphic; Very iconic, flat, with just a little bit of texture.
And then moving on from that is a CG approach; Computer graphics approach.
Borderline kind of photoreal work, where there's 3 dimensional glasses Everything's modeled, painted, texture mapped.
It's a lot of stuff to build.
As you can see, it's very dense frame.
It's expensive to build.
Here's another one.
These are characters that we built, the motorcycles, rigged, hand animated.
Very heavy duty work.
CHRIS: So, these things tend to be very expensive to build.
CHRIS: And then there are hybrid approaches where you may have a product, in this case this is CG, and then you have motion design; Some 2D/3D component on top of it.
JOSE: On top of it CHRIS: Yea so this one, you know.
JOSE: I like this, it's nice.
CHRIS: It's a different approach.
It's a nice and clean look for MoFi.
And lastly here I have a music video, where it's a hybrid approach where there's 2D animation, but then there's also footage that we shot.
You see the hand in the background, placing the gazebo? That's just part of this shadow puppet world that we created.
So that's great.
Alright, so now let's talk about size.
So what does size mean to you in the digital world? JOSE: So size is not necessarily relevant to length and other things that you might have in your world CHRIS: Focus on yours JOSE: So, how many user stories, or how many use cases exist? Meaning if you're doing one simple use case that one person comes to the site and does xyz, that's a simpler site to build.
If you have many use cases; 5-7 use cases, then that really makes it a lot more complex.
CHRIS: Because it's denser? JOSE: Because here's the thing: It's not about feature amount, because you can have the same amount of features.
It's about feature depth.
And the depth.
DepTHHHHH CHRIS: Go JOSE: Is really about the user story.
How far, how much does the user get to do in experience? That's why they call it "user experience.
" CHRIS: Mmmm JOSE: And the mistake that you're gonna make, and that all people that start doing web and then come from another world, is that they confuse features with the depth of the functionality as it pertains to the use cases.
So they fail to do user stories because they don't understand user experience.
They pitch on features.
And then when they get into the doing, the client starts asking for all of these things and nuances within the feature of e-commerce.
CHRIS: You totally lost me, by the way.
But it's cool JOSE: I'll make it really simple.
CHRIS: Hold on, hold on.
You were talking about the mistake that people made.
You had me there.
That was the hook in my mouth.
Features versus depth.
CHRIS: And, Nicole, does that mean something to you? NICOLE: Yeah, actually, it does.
I understand the crux of what he's trying to say is that when you're presenting for these types of projects there's the feature itself and then how the feature is going to function from end to end for different types of people on the custom profiles that might be using this application.
Let's take Lyft.
You have a young entrepreneur.
What does the cycle look like from the time the individual calls for a driver to the time that they complete their ride.
That's an example of user story.
And he's saying that those get left out in a lot of instances when thinking about features for an application.
CHRIS: Is that right? JOSE: Here'es how you explain it--Yes, she got it right--Here's how you should explain it.
CHRIS: Don't give me crazy eyes.
Time out! Caaaaalm.
There wolf will be here.
JOSE: Hold on.
I'm giving you the "Oh my god these motion people don't understand this.
" So I need to make it metaphoric.
So the metaphoric is, and for the motion folks, imagine if you were to price out only on keyframes.
And you didn't actually think about how many frames were in between.
A deep user experience will have a lot of keyframes.
That's like a 60 frame per second animation.
Super high fidelity.
CHRIS: Oh, okay like versus a Sunday morning cartoon where they're animating on twos.
CHRIS: Every other frame is a.
NICOLE: So thinking it through more? JOSE: Yeah.
People sell 60 frame animation like super 4k.
CHRIS: I get it.
JOSE: for what should've been a.
(laughter) CHRIS: We're all good.
So cutting back to our graphic here.
So we're looking at one use case is cheaper to do.
Multiple use cases, 5-7, is going to be a lot more for you to factor.
It's gonna be a deeper site.
A sweet spot for you is something like the 3 uses cases.
That's something that's reasonable to me.
Alright, let's talk about it from a motion point of view: Length.
And we're talking about seconds of content, right? So if you're doing an animated end tag, that's going to be a few seconds long, 3 or 4 seconds long.
On the opposite side of that is like a documentary feature film, and we've done those too.
Those could be 90 minutes in length.
And our sweet spot, the thing that people come to us for is the 30-second TV commercial.
JOSE: Hold on, hold on.
I'm gonna correct you.
This is you're sweet spot in motion.
CHRIS: I'm talking about motion JOSE: Yeah, okay, but Blind's sweet spot--Actually we're doing a lot of web projects.
Don't call me the weird cousin.
CHRIS: We'll we're gonna chop it into two parts here so people--We need to segregate this: Motion and digital.
JOSE: Got it, got it.
CHRIS: Because these blended.
JOSE: What I want to make sure is that we are doing both.
CHRIS: These blended things are gonna confuse our audience, I think.
JOSE: They're not that--You guys are smart.
CHRIS: I'm not saying they're not smart.
JOSE: Yeah, whatever.
Keep on going with your length.
No we're done with length.
JOSE: Oh, features.
CHRIS: We're gonna talk about features now.
So let's talk about the requirements as they relate to digital.
When you're talking about features, remember the analogy to the house? JOSE: Why do I have to go first? CHRIS: There's a rhythm here: Digital, motion, digital, motion.
JOSE: I get it, I get it.
We should be first anyway.
CHRIS: "DigiMo" JOSE: What? CHRIS: Go.
You're up! JOSE: So okay, go back to your analogy about the house.
What were you gonna say? CHRIS: Oh the house! About the features.
Remember we talked about the 2-car garage, the 4-car garage, you want the stainless steel--Maybe that's into something else but.
CHRIS: Anyways what are the requirements of project? JOSE: I got it.
Okay, so the first is just whether there is big, broad functionality.
Like, is it an e-commerce site, or is it a marketing site, or is it a community building site? CHRIS: Or a content site.
JOSE: Or is it a content site? There's a lot of uhh.
CHRIS: Give an example of each.
What's an e-commerce site? JOSE: So an e-commerce site is that example taht I showed you earlier for.
CHRIS: Something everybody would know.
JOSE: You mean, like, out there? CHRIS: Yeah, out there.
JOSE: Ebay is an e-commerce site.
CHRIS: Anything where there's a financial transaction.
CHRIS: Okay, where you can buy--Etsy.
Give an example of a marketing site.
JOSE: A marketing site would be something like if you go to a large consultancy.
The site is pure marketing now.
But today, it's all about social media campaigns.
CHRIS: That's fine, let's focus.
JOSE: And it's all about social media ecosystem JOSE: Which by the way, is actually a really big issue in pricing in what we're talking about.
But let's keep on going.
JOSE: Let's bring that slide back.
So look, I'm gonna just go through these real fast.
Community, like is there a community? Can be social in this case scenario, too.
What are all the different things that you're gonna do out in the social ecosphere? Reviews, that's a site that might just be for you to review your products, etc.
Those three things are examples of what I was just saying.
Like specific functions of a site.
And all 3 of them actually might be part of a site.
CHRIS: Right JOSE: Blog! Again, does it have a blog? CHRIS: These are all the features that you need to know.
JOSE: The map--These are all the different things that the site might have.
And all of them on their own aren't necessarily large and complex.
You know, User profiles, or having custom profiles.
Meaning that you can register and you can maintain a picture and a profile of yourself.
Some sites have all of these.
Can-- JOSE: I'm done CHRIS: You done? Thanks.
So requirements for motion.
So we need to know things like: Is there a location that we have to travel to because those things are tied together? That means we're going to be using talent from abroad and we have to think about hotel and travel expenses, and dealing with logistics.
So if we're gonna shoot in another country, we have to hire a local production company to partner up with because they know how things are done there.
Is it a union shoot, meaning does the crew need to be union? Does the cast all have to be union? Because that drives the cost up.
Casting specs: Are we talking about one person that's mostly used as a moving model or they have a speaking role, or is there 20 or 30 principals in the spot, which will drive the price up? We need to know things about usage.
Is this a worldwide usage? Because there are contracts that have to be negotiated on behalf of the client.
Do we need special equipment? Are we gonna be flying in a helicopter? Is there gonna be a car chase? All those kinds of things.
And how complex is visual effects? Those are the requirements that we need to know.
Okay, moving on.
Finishes JOSE: So the finishes are like the last--Kind of like what makes it look really polished or not.
So in this case scenario do you use stock photography versus you go out and you do a custom photo shoot? The number of visual assets.
The content and visual assets is something that sometimes people forget, that makes the site look really rich.
Video: Are you gonna shoot video? And you might need to price that out.
And is gonna be an industrial shoot, meaning cheap and fast with SLR, or do you wanna do a much more fancy kind of video? And how much editing and post production you're gonna have.
Illustration: Is there gonna be custom illustration or stock? Iconography: Are you gonna buy stock icons or are you gonna design custom icons for this brand? These are things that take time, and that take considerable portion of the budget.
Copywriting: That's actually the number one issue that I think most people have a hard time with.
Not because of how difficult it might be.
NICOLE: I think it get's discounted a lot.
JOSE: It's gets discounted and the designer might say: "The client can put in the copy.
" You have to either contractually remove it, which I use to, but the problem with that is then the client will delay so long in putting in the copy that the ability to QA and do a final release of the site might be such a large gap that you lose money while you're sitting there; While the whole team is sitting there.
So I know it's my turn to talk about motion, but I want to spend a half second here and talk about this a little bit because we're doing more digital projects.
I'm learning about how to manage these things, and to take account of this.
Just remember to pay attention to this content slide that we just showed you.
The stock vs.
custom and you might think: "Okay, I'm gonna build out the site and it's all gonna be stock photos.
Okay, it's gonna be reasonable to buy at Shutterstock or iStock or something like that.
" But what you don't account for is how much time you have to spend to search for the stock and then you didn't account for that.
So I'm gonna just throw out a little warning for you guys.
Versus talking about stock in general to say: "We will bill you the cost of the stock, plus a small mark up, let's say 15%, plus I'm gonna block out an amount of time.
" So I estimate it's going to take me about 6 hours to find stock.
What people don't realize is that we can find really great stock photography for not a lot of money but you have to filter out thousands of images.
And so what they see is the end result of that filter.
Right? And you don't account for that.
So at a different episode I'm gonna do on my own: How to manage a website and a digital project for smaller size practices.
Anyways, let's go on to motion graphics.
To me I consider this part, the finishes, the look and the feel.
Okay, because a lot of things can be done here that affect the cost.
Is it flat? This relates back to the style.
Meaning: Is it graphic, not a lot of shading, flat colors, okay? JOSE: Is that because it's cheaper? Would it be cheaper to animate, yeah? CHRIS: It's cheaper.
Yeah, because I can download these things.
I can draw them.
I don't need a specialist to do all these things.
I can build everything in Illustrator and use after effects to animate everything, and they're beautiful.
JOSE: I always like flat in the web's realm.
CHRIS: Well, it's still very trendy right now.
JOSE: It's very trendy, but I liked it because it was easy to do.
CHRIS: It's easy to do.
And it's really clean.
It's really clean and a lot of people like that aesthetic.
On the opposite end of that is: Is it photoreal? Because you will pay for photoreal.
Okay, there's a level when the human eye can't distinguish whether or not it's CG created, like a computer generated image or if it's real.
That little extra bit of polish, you spend a lot of time and a lot of money.
It's difficult to do that these days.
Anyways, so the other things can be: The story is told, but they want to do stop motion.
And you guys know.
Stop motion is a very labor intensive thing.
I think it took over 3 years for Laika house to do the Box Trolls.
Because they have to literally change every component every frame.
JOSE: But they make Grommet and-- CHRIS: Wallace and Gromit? No, that's a different studio.
But anyways, are there simulations that you have to run.
Like particle simulations.
Are you gonna have to show something--Is there gonna be a destructive thing? Like is the house gonna blow up? Those simulations require a lot of processing power and you need specialists to do that.
Or is it a hybrid approach which is generally more of the case.
it's not one particular approach, it's a couple of these things.
CHRIS: Okay? So, last thing we're gonna talk about is time.
And time we share a slide because it's the same no matter what you're doing.
Whatever field you're in.
Time: It's gonna look something like this.
So there's a line here.
So in the middle is the perfect balance, right? So on the left, it's a rush job.
They need it yesterday, and you have to work weekends, long hours, and you have to ramp up the team and you have to kind of build of for that.
It's gonna cost more.
So if you don't have time it's gonna cost you more money.
JOSE: Yeah, I mean the big thing is: Do you want it fast, good or cheap? Speed, quality or cost.
You choose two of those.
You can't choose all 3.
And so sometimes the clients will say: "Deliver it whenever you want.
Just fit it within your schedule," And sometimes there are cost savings there, but I wanna warn you about this, too.
Those projects with an undefined timeline can drag on and you'll soon realize you're spending a lot of hours working on something.
JOSE: So those are all really big factors.
So to wrap up, let's use the dorktionary as our final thoughts.
So let's just bullet, like run and gun the definitions.
CHRIS: So #Dorktionary guys.
Tell us if you like the title.
Okay, so here are the terms we used today.
JOSE: So bid, which is actually more around the estimation of time and money.
CHRIS: Time and money.
JOSE: Proposal, which is a larger aggregate of having time, money, approach, and examples of your work, and of who you are as a vendor, as an agency.
CHRIS: It's a more corporate document.
It does do a little selling and remember it's for a lot of different stakeholders to look at.
So it needs to tell your story and your approach.
JOSE: It's a narrative, too.
Let me talk about the pitch.
The pitch requires you to do creative work and sometimes you get a little bit of money, sometimes you get a lot.
But more often than not, at least in the motion world, you get zero dollars.
But it's worth it if the price tag and the profit is there.
JOSE: And you can get paid to pitch.
I've gotten paid to pitch.
CHRIS: I have too.
JOSE: So contract is really, ultimately the agreement between you and the client as to-- CHRIS: It's formalizing it.
JOSE: Formalizing what you did in the proposal or in the pitch or in the bid.
SOW is what we use, called a statement of work.
And MSA is a master services agreement.
I'll put a link below to our contracts episode which walks you through an SOW and-- CHRIS: And the 'PIMP-CIPAL' is a principal of an agency that kills it like a pimp.
JOSE: Yes, and that's what you do.
You're basically pimping and hoeing resources.
(laughter) JOSE: You are! If you're an agency principal, you are a pimp.
CHRIS: We get, we get it.
We get it! JOSE: Okay.
If you need any more help, post--Go ahead, Chris.
CHRIS: We need your help actually to post something from this episode on twitter or Instagram.
The hashtag is #TheProcess and you can mention @theSkoolRocks JOSE: Look I'll sweeten it, I'll sweeten it.
CHRIS: Hold on.
We wanna do this because people that find value in what we do always wonder why our audience is bigger because we need your help in getting the word out there.
Share it, post it.
Let's wrap it up, Jose.
JOSE: Well, I'm gonna say this, real quick.
We'll choose one--We got the new Skool stickers--We'll choose one person.
CHRIS: You want an oreo cookie? A giant cookie? JOSE: We'll send you a pack of stickers.
A few stickers.
I'm gonna choose one person out of all the people that post to send them some stickers.
CHRIS: #PIMPCIPAL? How are you gonna find-- NICOLE: #TheProcess JOSE: Oh #TheProcess CHRIS: That makes sense.
JOSE: Using #TheProcess on Instagram or on Twitter or on Facebook, we'll find one person and give this to you.
NICOLE: You can also post any comments or questions down in this episode in the.
CHRIS: Comments section.
JOSE: Comments below, and share the damn thing, and like it, and all those kind of things.
We've learned a bunch of things in the last, I don't know, 2 months of producing the show with Boyce's help.
JOSE: It feels like 5 years.
CHRIS: Getting structure and I think this is the end result of some of that.
Hopefully, you guys like the format the way we're doing things now.
We're trying to be much more succinct, lucid.
But, having a good time.
JOSE: But we're also still trying to keep it light.
CHRIS AND JOSE: Keep it liiiiiiiight.
CHRIS: Alright, whatever.
JOSE: Keep it pimpcipal.
CHRIS: Alright, it's embarrassing.
When we embarrass Nicole I think we're doing a good job.
Her nervousness like you said, like she's her grandma.
If we make her nervous, we're doing the right things.
Guys, Thanks so much! See you next time.
And we'll be back.
(laughter) I don't have an ending.
See you next time you guys! JOSE: Why do you need an ending? There you go that's a good ending.
(clapping) (laughter) CHRIS: You didn't get my David Letterman thing! [inaudible converstaion].